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Personal Tuition Jackal Style Print E-mail
Home of The EarlyBird 20 - updated 22-04-10
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Personal Tuition Jackal Style
Beginning Early 2010

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One 2 One Personal Tuition – The Benefits.

Trade with a Trader The course will begin around 8/9am dependant on when you can make it for as I always work to your availability including weekends. On many occasions I’ve completed trading well before the London session officially opens. If you can’t make it that early we will then look at the US session providing you are up to the required level of competence at that point. Learn what I do to achieve consistently successful results, by the end of the day you will have in your hands the trading ability that goes far beyond the usual how-to forex training courses. You will have what you want and have paid for, a step by step proven system for executing actual trades that actually profit. You can’t beat one 2 one tuition for absorbing information and being actively involved. One on one personal system trade mentoring allows the student to experience, learn and master how a successful trader trades, and to actually spend as much time in viable trades and trading conditions as possible. Your aim day in day out is 20 pips or points, quality trading not quantity, such is the manor of the system that when you experience a loser it is generally possible to retrieve your loss in the same session and make your 20 pips. There will be numerous occasions to make more than 20 but you have to have an aim and 20 it is. If you want low stress, high probability, low screen time and a jargon / complicated indicator free system, then book a one on one with me. Not many services out there will meet their clients face to face, me, I love it and make it as relaxed and as much fun as can be.

  Work during the week? No matter, I teach of a weekend too!Successful day trading means you will never lose your job, recessions don't mean a thing, you can't be made redundant, you have no boss, your earnings are in your hands and can be tax free and you can work from anywhere on the planet that has an internet connection.

 Course Conclusion. I will e-mail you, while present, a PDF copy of our days tuition. This will cover everything that we have discussed during the day and includes how best to get hold of me once you have returned home. There will be links for those wishing to further educate themselves but mostly it will cover the system from start to scratch, no fluff or padding and no filler pages, straight to the point what you should or should not be doing. When you leave you will return home optimistic and excited at the prospect of becoming a full or part time successful day trader, no more ‘lucky’ or ‘guess’ trades, no more ‘afraid to pull the trigger’, just profession decisions made with a professional attitude derived from a hugely successful high probability system that was designed to be low stress, low screen time and a simple process. You will be a trader basing decisions on logic and probability and not relying on anything else other than your own effort and ability to flawlessly execute a proven system.

Best £1500 you could ever invest in your future, no nonsense trading system that I learnt in a matter of hours.
 14 trades and 11 winners averaging 27 pips per trade in the first week since I went live.
  Am I happy? I most certainly am. BarBara, Merton,SW London.

Course Costs. A One on One will cost you £1500 or if you wish to bring a trader friend then it's £2000 for the day. Expensive? Depends how you look at it but here's my view. 95% of traders fail because they go through system after system after system either getting it wrong or blaming the system and then unfortunately giving up. That will not be the case with me because I will be showing you my system in action and you will be proving to me and yourself that you fully understand what you must do. You can spend a hell of a lot more on a course or trading seminar where all you will learn is what either you don't need to know or you can pick up for nothing off the net {simply send me an e-mail requesting where you can pick up the best free trading information with simple explanations}, you won't learn a system, you will be shown and told all about the stuff you don't need to know while all the time they're building up to you booking on their next course {yes been there done that and I wasted £1000's}. I'm not offering a trading course, my offer is showing you my very successful system 1:2:1 so that you know it works and you don't change anything. Pay £1000's on system after system and course after course or just get straight to the point and learn mine in one day, expensive? I think not!

Focussed Learning. My One 2 one forex system training, that can also be used on any market like the FTSE-DAX-DOW-CAC etc, is individualised allowing the student to be actively involved and eradicates any waste in your training day, rather than sitting in a classroom full of students, many of whom will be embarrassed to ask questions or are all at different levels of experience. No question is a silly one where I’m concerned and I’m a master of detecting your true understanding, we will not move on to the next module until you’re happy to. This makes for more focused learning because any questions are answered as they are asked and any problems can be ironed out quickly.

Times on your side. Because of the focussed style of tuition, the training is actually absorbed quickly and definitely more concisely rather than being in a room full of potential traders. I can focus on your individual needs and the hours we will spend together are dedicated to you, not many others. It’s your time and your chance to learn a life changing system. You have the time and the opportunity to ask me as much as you wish regarding the tuition of my high probability, low stress method.

  Taking Andy's course has given me the chance at long last to be a successful day trader. I picked the routine up in less than 2 hours due to his no messing around attitude to getting the job done and ensuring I return home full of confidence, we then spent the next 4 practising it. We took 4 trades between the EUR/USD- GBP/USD-EUR/GBP and the FTSE, all 4 won netting a profit of 86 points, amazing. I Highly recommended you invest in the day course and learn from this fun but professional tutor. John, Worcestershire, England.

You have my undivided attention.  Your session will be individually tailored to your pace, learning style and with training materials created specifically to aid your information absorption. On average it will take a student 6 hours to fully comprehend and be able to put into place what has been taught. It will depend on your level of experience on how quickly we cover each module and with you attending with the attitude to learn a very high probability and simple method, not attending to attempt to correct your own system.

The advantages: One on One training opposed to group training holds a wealth of improved opportunities and results. You will be consistently more profitable, confidence and discipline will greatly increase and the stresses often associated with trading will greatly decrease. You will experience greater control of both your time and more importantly your life.

My routine from beginning to end. We will cover this many times and YOU WILL have the opportunity and be expected to show you understand the importance regarding the structure. I see little point in showing a student that you must do this that and the other if they do not understand why it must happen. Right from the moment I sit at my computer to the time I complete trading, we will cover the routine over and over again until you’re comfortable and safe in the knowledge that the next time you sit at yours you will be able to develop your routine without a problem.

Money management ,Risk Management  and Comfort Zones.  Applying correct capital preservation techniques and finding your ‘happy place’ will ensure you have a great chance of success.  We will cover these topics and ensure you understand the importance of them, including setting stop losses and targets, calculation of Risk/Reward and record keeping. We will not go into depth over this though as you have come to my service to learn a high probability low stress system that is generally over and complete within 3 hours or so, and not to learn the basics of trading which most definitely include these topics. I will just want to ensure you realise the importance of them and will show you my own personal attitude towards them.

Strategy and a System. I will explain the difference as many will believe they‘re one and the same. A system will NEVER be successful without a proven strategy behind it. I will cover the importance of developing habit and routine combined with flawless execution of the System.

Use my method on FOREX - FTSE - DAX - DOW - CAC - S&P - GOLD - OIL and Fish and Chips lol, maybe not fish and chips then!

The Helpdesk. We will complete the days tuition and then you will leave safe in the knowledge that should any problems arise or questions, you have but to contact me and I will clear up any confusion or help on any matter that is of concern. I pride myself on being here for you before, during and after your training day.

The Surroundings:  Warm spacious office with 3 x 26” monitors from which we will work and trade live from. All food and drink requirements are well catered for and you have just to let me know should you have special dietary requirements. We will take regular short breaks as and when required. Most of my past students have commented that I am fun to learn from and have a very easy going nature.

Well after countless trading failures and money wasted I took the bull by the horns and signed up for Andy's one day course to learn his system. I only wish I'd done this two years ago, sometimes you need to see happening what you think should be happening but doubt both yourself and the the system of course. We spent about 7 hours going over and over and over the system so that when I returned home I knew exactly what to do. 30 trades later with a 83% strike rate and an average 3 hour trading day I am over the moon. Thank you to Andy, I'd pay twice the amount if I'd had known about this when I started out. William, Birmingham, UK.

What the day course is not: A lesson in how to correct a particular system you may be using, or the manner in which you’re using it. You will be there to learn my system, its capabilities and its potential profitability. It will also not be applicable to those who know nothing about forex trading, you must know the basics and the basics include the recognition of a trend and support and resistance. Basics also include money and risk management, a topic which we will cover briefly to ensure you are fully informed and understand their importance. Those who wish to attend my one on one tuition can learn the basics in a relatively short period of time and then apply for my course before they get into any poor habits or are suckered by  the mass marketing promoting useless Robots and EA’s. Those who know the basics but are inexperienced are most welcome, my course will be exceptionally valuable to you.

What you will not receive: A day full of waffle and useless jargon often associated with overloaded seminar classes and on-line courses with DVD’S and books galore. You’re paying for my time, and to be shown personally and on a one on one basis, my successful day trading system. I’m not going to be giving you a DVD collection or a PDF with countless filler pages explaining candle patterns and formations and all the silly names attached to them etc. Anything outside of my method we will not be discussing, if you wish to take my method away and change it, add it to your system or even attempt to improve it, then there’s nothing I can do about that. What I can do is ensure we do not go off topic and waste valuable time in learning what is an amazing system to have in your portfolio of successful day trading systems.

Summary of what you will receive:   I will teach you my system that I use each and every day, a system that is high probability, low stress, simple and where we aim to achieve just 20 pips profit per day between the hours of roughly 6am GMT and 10am GMT. On many occasions you will be finished well before the London session opens and well before any major news releases. You will have my undivided attention and be actively encouraged to participate to ensure you understand the system. We will undertake all live trading opportunities unless we are deeply involved in a particular area of training. We will look at history of both successful and unsuccessful trades and what you can do to help avoid failures other than that taught within the system. You can attend the early morning training session if you wish where you can watch me trade ‘live’ the system I am going to be showing you. I will provide all course materials and food/ refreshments.  I will e-mail you the system rules and my contact details so that you can fire over any questions you may have once you’ve returned home.

Bringing a trader friend: If you are forming a trading team or have a friend interested in learning I charge an extra £500 for that service. So as a couple you will pay more but divided by two you will of course pay substantially less. I also offer £500 commission when someone recommends my service and they confirm a paid booking.

OK my trader friends, what you waiting for, personal invitation from the Queen and a chauffeurLaughing

 
 
The EarlyBird 20 Print E-mail
Home of The Jackal Training service - updated 22-02-10
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The EarlyBird 20 faq's

The EarlyBird 20 or the EB20 as it's known as is the system that we here at the Jackal Service personally trade. Why, because we like to get our trading completed from start to finish in 3 hours or less, and it generally is less. It wasn't always known as the EB20, it was just a method we used to do our daily trading, but after demand for a simple, high probability system with low stop, we decided to develop our method into a system package. Hence the EB20 was born. We get straight to the point with no fluff or padding and filler pages, in fact the PDF is just 8 pages long with the information you need to know to get straight down to business. We e-mail it to you once payment has been cleared via PayPal or you can request our banking details for you to transfer online.Case studies are included along with any links to suggested accounts that we personally have not had problems with. We advise you on all our trading preferences so in effect you should be trading very closely to the manner in which we do ourselves.{faq's}

 

How to Pay: 

1- For the Stealth method only go to www.stealthforexsystem.com and complete the transaction there {we will then forward you your free Jackal Juicer gift}

2- For the EB20, forward payment of {£149 $239  €166} via PayPal to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   {we will then forward you your free Jackal Juicer gift as well}

3- Already have stealth but want to purchase the EB20, follow step 2. {we will then forward you your free Jackal Juicer gift}

 

With an average trading day of 3 hours or less and a strike rate that can be as high as 90%, what are you waiting for! Make 2010 the year you become a self sufficient day trader and take control of your life.

Purchase the complete training package for £272 $436 €302. Compare that to other services charging 100's more and even 1000's.Why on earth do people book to go on trading courses when the majority of it is the stuff you already know and the rest of it is a ploy to get you on their next course. It is all there before you on the internet for free.If you're a complete beginner just ask me where to get the best free information that is easily understood and all you need to know, KEEP IT SIMPLE. {faq's}

Get straight to the point, experienced or not, and be trading my method 'live' within a couple of weeks. Average student, after demo trading to gain the all important confidence, is trading 'live' in ten days. With this package you get my routine, set-up, method, the system, case studies, continued before, during and aftercare for as long as you need it and should we not be able to deal with a question by e-mail we will give you our Skype address.

Our biggest challenge was simplifying our trading to a stage where a novice or inexperienced trader would cope with the method with ease. We, as experienced traders, used well respected indicators familiar to us but knew that while other experienced traders would cope, the inexperienced would probably not. So we set about searching for a virtually mechanical operation and after countless system tests and man hours and of course expense we discovered what we consider to be the best, and by far, indicator software we have ever come across at www.stealthforexsystem.com.

This is the only system that we recommend and are affiliated to. We could of course be affiliated to scores of systems but we are not, why, because we would only put our name and reputation to something that we use and that most definitely works. Trading companies generally make their money from being affiliated left, right and centre and so what they actually sell is generally worthless, we at the Jackal promote one product outside of our own because we are true believers in it's quality and are not affiliated to any other products whatsoever. With the www.stealthforexsystem.com and the EB20 you have everything before you to become a very successful day trader, there are no excuses for you not to be, just requires your effort and willingness to learn my simple method.{faq's}

A truly superb high probability and low stress system that virtually informs you, in conjunction with the EB20, when to place your trade. It doesn't come much simpler really and with our full back up and rapid responses you will never feel alone, we want you to succeed, our reputation depends on it. If you have a niggle we cannot resolve via e-mail you can even Skype us, you know of another trading company that offers that! I'm so confident that I even teach this method, if you prefer, face to face either on a 1:2:1 or 2:2:1 basis, more information on that further down the page.

www.stealthforexsystem.com you could actually use as your system of choice and purchasers we will inform you of lot's of tips on best times to trade, best markets, timeframes and suggested plan of action etc BUT we went a huge step further and that's where the EB20 comes into play.

We discovered {faq's} the superb indicators but then we tore the system apart and eventually came up with a method that was extremely high probability, over in an average 3 hours or less, a stop that rarely exceeds 20 and low stress due to the indicators that virtually tell you when to trade along with a method we devised to make it even more high probability with the added benefit that your money is only live for short periods of time. The EB20 is the only package you will ever need in order to become a successful day trader. Contact me, Andy, any time at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it . I always get back to you and it is very rarely not the same day, in fact it is generally less than 4 hours.We respond not quite as quickly over the weekend but we are open 24/7.

If you already have the Stealth set up you can simply just purchase the EB20 by forwarding a payment of £149 $239 €166 via www.paypal.com to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it or request our banking details and transfer online. Those who purchased Stealth through www.stealthforexsystem.com are covered by both their guarantee and ours and are also eligible for all updates and offers currently available.

The EB20 {faq's}is all about taking 20 pips or points that are quality, we're not concerned with quantity as for most that's the road to the poor house. You will have many huge moves but that means of course you have taken your 20 so mission complete. You can make a very substantial living and income by earning 20 pips or so per day, in fact just knowing that you can do even 10 per day is having a life changing system before you. Your money is only live for a very limited time and of course the less amount of time it is live the less chance you have of a failed trade and the overall less stress and more confidence you will experience. Remember when successfully trading it is recession proof, redundancy proof, tax free depending on where you reside, no boss, you can work from wherever there is an internet connection, we're not bothered about being snowed in either {just added that one}.Smile 

FOREX-FTSE-DOW-DAX-CAC- S&P- GOLD - OIL can all be traded via the EB20 method, there is not much outside of those that you really need to trade but if you have favourites then the EB20 will work perfectly well on those too. Our favourite is FOREX and as part of the package you're informed of the best pairs and markets to trade. We are here for you every step of the way. Most of the world's most successful traders master one market and stick with it through thick and thin.

The Package {faq's}consists of your purchase at www.stealthforexsystem.com and my EB20 method that includes my full routine, set up, system, advice and tips, case studies and of course, as ever with all Jackal purchases, my continued and full support for as long as you need it, even years from now, just contact me at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it and I will reply quickly and in detail.

How to Pay: 

1- For the Stealth method only go to www.stealthforexsystem.com and complete the transaction there {we will then forward you your free Jackal Juicer gift}

2- For the EB20, forward payment of {£149 $239  €166} via PayPal to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   {we will then forward you your free Jackal Juicer gift as well}

3- Already have stealth but want to purchase the EB20, follow step 2. {we will then forward you your free Jackal Juicer gift}

Why become a day trader. {faq's}

1- You are your own boss, self employed.

2- Never fear a recession, it makes no difference to us.

3- No fear of job loss or redundancy

4- Dependant on where you reside it can be tax free

5- Work from anyway on the planet that has internet connection

6- Work when you want to

7- Using my method work an average 3 hour day

8-Income is unlimited

9- Work from home, laptop or PC.

10- It will change your life forever.

Our other services are still going strong too, you can request further information by contacting This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Jackal personal 1:2:1 and 2:2:1 training.

The Jackal Juicer.

www.StealthforexSystem.com

The impending ' Live with the Jackal' service.

There are also descriptions on the site of course via the 'Jackal services' menu to the left and top of the home page.

Thank you for your time and attention, may I wish you all the best regarding health and happiness for 2010 and may all your trading endeavours be as successful as ours.

 

 



 
The Stop - where do you stand? Print E-mail
Home of The Jackal Juicer & The Jackal Superior Signals - 20-12-2009   21.34 GMT
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Conservative Trading: Wide stop or close target?

The following is an extract written by Nick McDonald which featured in a book titled 'Stop Orders' by Tony Loton, published recently by Harriman House. It's a good read folks, not purchased the book personally as I've never purchased one and I'm not going to start nowSmile

I have met many self-proclaimed ‘conservative’ traders who think that the use of wide stops is what makes their trading conservative. They state that this approach means their stop is “less likely to be hit” and therefore it is a “sensible, more cautious approach”. They are correct on one thing, the stop is less likely to be hit. The stop, however, is just one factor in profitable trading and conservative does not always equal profitable. This is often conservative to the point of being detrimental to trading success!

A tight versus a wide stop can of course be quite different across a range of timeframes and products; however, let’s compare two scenarios on a share that’s trading at, say, 1500. Let’s call an aggressive, tight stop on this 30 points and a conservative, wide stop, 120 points. Also, let’s assume the widely agreed approach that you must have reward to risk in your favour: i.e. if you risk $1, you must stand to make at least $1 or more; a 1:1 reward to risk ratio or greater.

The Conservative Trader

Will risk 120 points and therefore must make 120 points to be sufficiently profitable to justify taking the trade and achieve the 1:1 ratio. This requires an 8% move in the underlying. It is a risk of $1 to make $1.

The Good Trader

Will also see that there is room for a 120 point move into profit but will only execute the trade if a precise moment
presents itself where he can have a well placed stop just 30 points away. Note: The Good Trader does not just have a tight stop for the sake of it, he or she waits only for the correct trades that actually justify it. There will be multiple technical factors protecting the stop loss from been hit in the form of support and resistance levels. There are minimal to no technical factors stopping the target from been hit. To be sufficiently profitable, the good trader only needs to move 30 points into profit to justify the trade, a 2% move in the underlying. If the trade does go on to move 120 points as predicted, the good trader is up 4 times what the Conservative Trader is up. It is a risk of $1 to make between $1 and $4. Which is more conservative? Trying to predict an 8% move or a 2% move? The Good Trader profits in either scenario.

The success of my trading has been built on the exact opposite philosophy to wide stops – tight targets are actually what is conservative but only in the situation where the tight stop too is justified. The Good Trader waits patiently for these opportunities. I would much sooner have a conservative target that makes me money than a conservative stop that loses it! A trader should not assess whether a stop is likely to be hit soon, rather, what is more likely to be hit first: stop loss or target? A precision entry with a defined trading strategy, a technically protected stop loss and a target with no technical support or resistance stopping it from been hit is the approach that I recommend all traders work to adopt.

 
 
 
Stealth & The Jackal Print E-mail
Home of The Jackal Juicer & The Jackal Superior Signals - Date -03-12-09
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The Amazing Stealth Forex Trading System + two free months of signals.

The Amazing Stealth Forex System can be purchased via our Jackal site or via www.stealthforexsystem.com . We will give two free months of our superior signals service to all purchasers as a thank you, once purchased just contact This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it and we will instantly get the ball rolling. This is by far the most advanced, accurate and simple philosophy system we have ever come across here at Jackal services and believe me we've tested scores and scores of them. Of all the system tests we have performed we promote just the one and this is it, The Stealth Forex Trading System.

You can also trade both Oil and Gold and if you ask us nicely Laughing we'll even tell you where to go to trade the FTSE- DOW-DAX-CAC etc using exactly the same system. Check it out here via our links on the homepage or via www.stealthforexsystem.com. No matter what your style of trading this system will have something to offer you.

 
 
 
Bits 'n' Bobs + News & Offers. Print E-mail
Home of The Jackal Juicer & The Jackal Superior Signals - 01-07-2009
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Bits 'n' Bobs + News and Latest Offers

Hi everyone, there is now a section right at the end of the Jackal Juicer explanation page { go to forex services and select Jackal Juicer} which is a collection of some of my favourites questions that have been asked before, during and after purchase.We will continue to add to this section.

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You can now get a two day pass if you wish to 'try before you buy' the 'Superior Signals' subscription package. Remember the majority who use this are full time and/or professional traders, please don't punch above your weight. 

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Those who have subscribed to the signals but then change their minds within 10 days, we will deduct your subscription fee from the cost of the Jackl Juicer if you wish to exchange services. 

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We have extended our 10% discount on the Jackal Juicer for another 2 weeks and then the offer will be removed as other ones come in to replace it. 

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We are now on Twitter and use it frequently, please do join us if you wish.

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In the last week alone we have new members from the UK, USA, France, Germany, South Africa, Australia, The Emirates and Sweden. A huge warm welcome to you all and rest assured we are here for you. Even if you ask us something outside of our expertise we will point you in the right direction and endeavour to find expert resources for you.We always go the extra mile.

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If you haven't joined our newsletter, please do, if you change your mind you can simply unsubscribe. We send one out every two to four weeks so you're not bombarded. Usually arrives on a Sunday.

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Any questions from browsers or interested traders please do fire them over, only too happy to reply with an honest and straightforward answer. 

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We are looking for top grade professional affiliates who would like to promote our service, we pay exceptional commisssion and quickly.  Please Contact Andy.

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All for now folks, speak soon. Happy trading from The Jackal Team.

 

 

 
 
 
Affiliates and Advertising Print E-mail
Home of The Jackal Juicer & The Jackal Superior Signals - 29-06-2009
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 Affiliates and Advertising

Hi Folks. If you would like us to consider you becoming an affiliate for our site then please contact me, Andy, diectly on This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it . We pay superb commission and respect the responsibility of your role. Any one wishing to consider advertising a service on our site not in direct competition, should also contact me directly. Thank you. Andy.
 
 
 
System Updates Print E-mail
Home of The Jackal Juicer & The Jackal Superior Signals - 25-06-2009  22.22 GMT
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Not one losing week

plus Twitter

 

Another superb day for both systems, I'm really pleased that we are just going from strength to strength and I know it will just get better. I've now got myself 'Twittered' for want of a better expresion. Live feed via the home page, roll on more of the same i say.

Speak to you all later. Andy

 
 
 
What a clean up! Print E-mail
Home of The Jackal Juicer & The Jackal Superior Signals - 23-06-2009  21.22 GMT
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Superior Signals now ready for tomorrow from the members area

Can my service do no wrong Innocent A complete and utter clean up again on both the Signals and The Juicer system. If you're still pondering over whether to invest or not, just ask around or contact me and ask me whatever you like. Great day continuing our run of, god only knows, lost count, last time we had a losing week politicians were on the straight and narrow, did such a time exist I wonder Undecided
 
 
 
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